Arne Vajhøj

On 2/16/2012 2:27 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Lew<lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>>> The Olson timezone database is no more. An astrology company,
>>> Astrolabe, sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>>>
>>> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>>> that database.
>>>
>>> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>>> business.
>>
>> Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots.
>> Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.
>
> The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
> avoid setting yourself up as a target.

On the other hand I would say that the first rule of being a person
of character is not to let threats make you silent.

Arne

Eric Sosman

On 2/16/2012 4:16 PM, David Lamb wrote:
> On 16/02/2012 2:24 PM, Lew wrote:
>> I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.
>
> Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've
> read about them. Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like
> hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government
> organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they
> originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like
> tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her
> YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem
> to be accorded the right to free speech.

They even victimized the Scottish Organic Producers Association.
(See <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/freetard_sopa_fail/>
if the penny fails to drop.)

--
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:31:29 -0500, Eric Sosman
<esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/16/2012 4:16 PM, David Lamb wrote:
>> On 16/02/2012 2:24 PM, Lew wrote:
>>> I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech.
>>
>> Not quite, if I recall correctly the essence of the few articles I've
>> read about them. Anonymous has participated in big-news stuff like
>> hacking and DDOS attacks, especially on corporate and government
>> organizations that interfere with speech they want to protect. IIRC they
>> originated on 4chan as a group that did all kinds of smaller stuff like
>> tracking down Boxy and threatening her in order to get her to remove her
>> YouTube videos. So, people they decide are stupid and/or evil don't seem
>> to be accorded the right to free speech.
>
> They even victimized the Scottish Organic Producers Association.
>(See <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/freetard_sopa_fail/>
>if the penny fails to drop.)

Sad. I have submitted the link to the RISKS List.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Gordon Levi

Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> wrote:

>Gordon Levi wrote:
>> Lew wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:28:55 PM UTC-8, Roedy Green wrote:
>> >> The Olson timezone database is no more. An astrology company,
>> >> Astrolabe, sued him, and he did not have the resources to fight back.
>> >>
>> >> So for now, nobody is keeping track of timezone changes. Java uses
>> >> that database.
>> >>
>> >> A hope Anonymous soon gets round to putting these unprintables out of
>> >> business.
>> >
>> >Oh, so you support those criminal schmucks? Anonymous are tools. Idiots.
>> >Vandals. Scum. Script kiddies. F**k Anonymous.
>>
>> The first rule of computer security which you have just broken is to
>> avoid setting yourself up as a target. You probably already know the
>> HBGary story <http://tinyurl.com/4k6gzr9> and you must agree that the
>> vandalism was not carried out by "script kiddies".
>
>Are you threatening me?
>
>I thought Anonymous were in *favor* of free speech. That's their line, anyway,
>do schmuckly things in the name of individual rights, isn't it? Am I a bank? A
>government? A spy agency? No, I'm just someone who's not afraid to point out
>that Anonymous are evil, stupid bastards. And script kiddies. Assholes. They
>should change their name to "AA" - "Assholes Anonymous".
>
>And I'm not afraid of you, either.

I am very sorry that I made you feel threatened. It was not my
intention.

Fredrik Jonson

Happy news,

In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
Astrolabe:

"Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/e...-zone-database

--
Fredrik Jonson

Lew

On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> Happy news,
>
> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
> Astrolabe:
>
> "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
> understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
> one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
> regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
> maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>
> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/e...-zone-database

Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.

--
Lew
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../c/cf/Friz.jpg

Tom Anderson

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Lew wrote:

> On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
>
>> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
>> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
>> Astrolabe:
>>
>> "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
>> understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
>> one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
>> regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
>> maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>>
>> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/e...-zone-database
>
> Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.

I imagine the threat of the EFF's battle-hardened lawyers taking your
dinner money does wonders for your for clarity of understanding:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...rves-sanctions

tom

--
Lilith doesn't exist, but it's an interesting story.

Gene Wirchenko

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:27:58 +0000, Tom Anderson
<twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Feb 2012, Lew wrote:
>
>> On 02/22/2012 11:11 PM, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
>>
>>> In what sounds like a sudden outbreak of common sense the lawsuit against
>>> Olson and Eggert. There following is, believe it or not, a statement from
>>> Astrolabe:
>>>
>>> "Astrolabe's lawsuit against Mr. Olson and Mr. Eggert was based on a flawed
>>> understanding of the law. We now recognize that historical facts are no
>>> one's property and, accordingly, are withdrawing our Complaint. We deeply
>>> regret the disruption that our lawsuit caused for the volunteers who
>>> maintain the TZ database, and for Internet users."
>>>
>>> https://www.eff.org/press/releases/e...-zone-database
>>
>> Well, that sure earns my respect. Good on them for owning up so forthrightly.
>
>I imagine the threat of the EFF's battle-hardened lawyers taking your
>dinner money does wonders for your for clarity of understanding:

Or possibly a more knowledgeable lawyer laying out the facts.

>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/0...rves-sanctions

Let them save face. Unless they try a stunt like this again,
best to let it lie.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko